30mm Multi part Storm Troopers

[Primarch]

Something Necromunda-ee-ish would be interesting. Rebels, Bounty Hunters, Storm Troopers, even Ewoks. Ok, maybe not Ewoks, but you get the idea.

That said, the codex creep would be obscene were Lucas himself to write the material.
"Waddaya mean Han Solo gets 'Always Strikes First'? Thats broken as F#*&!!!"

[AndrewGPaul]

nice enough if you like that sort of thing, but what use is a 30mm storm trooper? you cant play a game with it.

Balls. There's plenty of suitable sets of rules available. A couple are even official Star Wars rules, for the unimaginative among us.

[me_in_japan]

2nd argument still stands - cant play a game with only 1 model, even if there are 5 poseable versions of it.

[Mike the Pike]

Something Necromunda-ee-ish would be interesting. Rebels, Bounty Hunters, Storm Troopers, even Ewoks. Ok, maybe not Ewoks, but you get the idea.

That said, the codex creep would be obscene were Lucas himself to write the material.
"Waddaya mean Han Solo gets 'Always Strikes First'? Thats broken as F#*&!!!"

If Lucas wrote it, Greedo would be the one with ASF. Solo would have dodge

[Spevna]

2nd argument still stands - cant play a game with only 1 model, even if there are 5 poseable versions of it.

Already addressed. There are LOADS of potential minis that could be used as opposing forces.

[AndrewGPaul]

There's at least two torso poses and the photos show you can get at least six unique overall poses when you assemble them. In any case, you can play with loads and loads of the same pose. They look at least as unique as, say, a squad of Aspect Warriors. In any case, there are over a dozen assorted miniatures in the range. Han, Chewie, Leia and Vader. There's your Bespin scenario already.

As for painting for display, 70mm needs different skills, and some people may simply prefer the smaller size. Or simply don't have the space for larger models.

30mm would be the same size as GW's stuff. When was the last time you actually saw a 28mm mini that actually was 28mm.

Raises hand.
Er...When I was painting up a 28mm scale Napoleonic brigade

Oh dear. 28mm is a size, not a scale.

[Primarch]

Oh dear. 28mm is a size, not a scale.

And 1/56 is a ratio, yet both terms are used to describe models.
A scale can (according to http://www.dictionary.com) be defined as:

a series of marks laid down at determinate distances, as along a line, for purposes of measurement or computation: e.g. the scale of a thermometer.

In this case 28mm is the distance to the eye level or top of the head of a standard sized miniature.
And the wiki entry on gaming figures is here if you want to read what they have to say.

Feel free to be a pedant if you want, but try to have a point when you do so, otherwise it just seems like you're trying to pick a fight.

[AndrewGPaul]

Nah, just being annoying, sorry.

Having said that, you point out the first problem when defining "28mm" as anything other than a vague description - do you measure to eyes or top of head? On top of that, you've got to consider the proportions. I'd put good money on the fact that the miniatures you're talking about have "wrong" proportions, especially when it comes to the size of the head and hands. The musket is probably too big, as well.

All of this is basically why internet forums are filled with threads asking "Do Perry miniatures fit with Foundry" and the like. That's basically the difference between calling something "28mm" and "1:56 scale"* - the latter gives me an idea of the shape and bulk of the model, not just its height.

Not that things actually advertised as "scale models" are much better, otherwise Peter Pig and QRF (both of whom advertise their WW2 miniatures as 1/100) wouldn't make different sized and proportioned Sherman tanks.

Some companies call their miniatures "28mm" even though they're past 30mm and growing while others try for a bit more accuracy and call their miniatures 30mm, 32mm, etc. Admirable, but ultimately confusing when one company's "32mm" models are slightly shorter than someone else's "28mm" models.

*Given that the height of an average French soldier in 1800 was apparently 5'7", or 1.7m, a model which is 28mm to the top of its head is more like 1:61 scale. One which is 28mm to the eyes is about 1:59

Actually, now that I've posted this, I'm not exactly sure what my point was. Oh well.

[Primarch]

Nah, just being annoying, sorry.

No worries, I am a little pedantic too sometimes (my wife would define sometimes as 'whenever I'm awake' ).

And you're right. The widely varying sizes between models that are supposed to be the same scale is a bit of a problem sometimes. The heads/hands/guns thing I think is down to the problems in trying to sculpt them so that folks can get a bit of detail on them. For example, I am busy now with some Bolt Action (Warlord) metal Russians and plastic Germans. The Germans are probably closer to realistic proportions with tiny, little hands and very slender guns. The Russians have great big, chunky hands and thick, bulky guns.
The top of the head/eye level debate depends on the sculptor more than anything I guess, and you're right when you say that the average height of the subject isnt taken into account. (Marines and IG I'm looking at you). This is one of the reasons why I am not a fan of mixing different companies' models within an army, it can spoil the overall appearance if half the figures look like giants compared to the rest. Historicals obviously have problems with this as it is difficult to find a company which does a full range of what you want. For example, I have Victrix Waterloo British for my army at the moment, but I'm planning to add some Perry's cavalry and riflemen as Victrix doesnt have them available in plastic and I am not a fan of metal. Hopefully the difference in size will be minimal.
Having bought some Tamiya model kits, they seem to be 'to scale' and I think that is true about most of the display model companies like Airfix etc. It's the gaming companies who want to make things more 'Heroic' that seem to have the most problems in getting the scale correct.
Ah well, tis out of our hands. Lets just play with the models we like and if we find some that are a touch to small, just base them on something taller.

[AndrewGPaul]

Scroll down for a photo of the pack contents. Separate legs, torsos, heads and arms.