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Re: What did you do today.

Post by Primarch_Vanguard » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:38 pm

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me_in_japan wrote:It would depend on your reasons. If you're subbing out one set of models for another for aesthetic reasons, I say go for it. If you're trying to fudge rules then its obviously a different story. I reckon if artificer armour can have a 2+ save I don't see why you can't use Sanguinary Guard as termies, especially if you're going to the bother of removing all BA iconography and whatnot. They're all just mahveens by another name anyway.
Whilst I agree that aesthetics are important when choosing an army, I also believe that WYSIWYG is important to gamer etiquette. When facing an army for the first time, it can be hard remembering what everything does at the best of times. Expecting your opponent to go one step further and remember that what they are seeing and it's performance by the rules are different is something it is only polite to ask about first. When you look at the table you should be able to understand what everything can do. If you underestimate or overestimate the ability of a unit it can cost you the game. Now to some degree that depends on you knowing the rules and what different units do. But when your opponent deliberately misrepresents a unit, whose fault is it if you do so?

Would you be cool with me proxying my Tyranids as Eldar? They are all just Xenos by another name. :D

At the end of the day it is all just playing with toy soldiers, so it doesn't really matter in the grand scale of things, but personally I would expect anyone who has put the time and effort into making and converting their army to have made some kind of effort to make the models fit the rules and to have considered WYSIWYG when they were doing so.
I basically agree with keeping it close to reasonable. Such as using the orks for orks and so on. But if the guy has a squad of orks and says, btw, these guys are power armored nobs. Well, I write it down and had best keep track of it. And then, go ahead. However I agree with coming close to what it is. Such as not using an eraser for a dreadnought. But i am especially with it if the player has made a background story and paid the points for the models. Again, as long as you remind the opposing player of what they are, then everyone can have fun. And honestly, Sanguinary guard or grey knight terminators charging at you is cause for concern either way. I'm sure they will warrant justifiable incoming fire.

And yeah, all blood angel parts have been cut off. Even the banner has been modified. I just really like cool models and don't want to be just a blood angel player to use them. If someone pushes that line on you, ask to check their Gw sales manager card.

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Re: What did you do today.

Post by me_in_japan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:44 pm

Primarch_Vanguard wrote:
I basically agree with keeping it close to reasonable. Such as using the orks for orks and so on. But if the guy has a squad of orks and says, btw, these guys are power armored nobs. Well, I write it down and had best keep track of it. And then, go ahead. However I agree with coming close to what it is. Such as not using an eraser for a dreadnought. But i am especially with it if the player has made a background story and paid the points for the models. Again, as long as you remind the opposing player of what they are, then everyone can have fun. And honestly, Sanguinary guard or grey knight terminators charging at you is cause for concern either way. I'm sure they will warrant justifiable incoming fire.

And yeah, all blood angel parts have been cut off. Even the banner has been modified. I just really like cool models and don't want to be just a blood angel player to use them. If someone pushes that line on you, ask to check their Gw sales manager card.

It's all good in the hood as long as everyone has fun.
^this. I'd +1 the post if I could (not suggesting we need such a feature, just saying I approve of the sentiment)

Ps @PV - you said you wouldn't buy a whole new set of marine figs just to try out a new codex. Prim would, and indeed, has, on numerous occasions. Fair play to the beaky boss - he stands firmly by his own rules, and has a thoroughly impressive collection of marines as a result.
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Re: What did you do today.

Post by job » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:16 pm

Well, yesterday I used some time to paint a wee bit. Today, I might have a little time again.

@ the above discussion: I do agree with PV. While I understand Prim is skeptical and cautious about the idea (there are always players who stretch the idea of proxy-ing a bit too far), I think PV's idea is just fine. If you do make the effort to convert and paint up an excellent project, if anything, it will make the experience of gaming far more fun. :)
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Re: What did you do today.

Post by ashmie » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:04 am

In reference to erasers for dreadnoughts.
I once saw a goblin army with a piece of round notepaper for a goblin fanatic and a piece of unpainted scrap card for a wyvern.
This was in Barnstaple though. The 4 vets of the local hobby store (not GW) played out their twilight games before the shop closed 6 months later. It had been there for about 20 years plus.
Nice group of chaps. I wonder where they game now?
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Re: What did you do today.

Post by Konrad » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:20 am

Miguelsan wrote:
Konrad wrote:Totally understand. I use the Ork Codex for my "Squats", the ones I've made out of chopped down and puttied Ork figures. I use the IG codex when I blow the dust of my RT era real Squat miniatures. One of the guys (Miguel-san?), has not a single GW fig in any of his armies. Make the figures first and then find the rules that fit best.

Though I disagree with you on using the Grey Knight Terminators in another army. I didn't like them at first, but they are starting to grow on me. Maybe Mega-Armoured Nobs/Squat Hearthguard in Exo-Armour? ;)
My count as eldars and me resent that, I do have 6 official Striking Scorpions in a sea of old Warzone figures :P

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Re: What did you do today.

Post by Primarch » Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:50 am

ashmie wrote:In reference to erasers for dreadnoughts.
I once saw a goblin army with a piece of round notepaper for a goblin fanatic and a piece of unpainted scrap card for a wyvern.
This was in Barnstaple though. The 4 vets of the local hobby store (not GW) played out their twilight games before the shop closed 6 months later. It had been there for about 20 years plus.
Nice group of chaps. I wonder where they game now?
There is a GW in town now first time ever. Sad really Battlezone had to end. It was a true geek den.
Perhaps if the customers had actually bought models rather than using pieces of card the store would have stayed open. I can't see GW letting people do that in their stores mind. They tend to get a bit tetchy when folks us scrap paper instead of the real thing.
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Re: What did you do today.

Post by Gannon » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:29 pm

I finished Lylyth tonight, and got started on an Argus and Feral Warp Wolf. Should be done with these by this weekend!

Eraser Dreadnought. I've got to make one of those.
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Re: What did you do today.

Post by me_in_japan » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:57 pm

Today I put a bit of a crimp on my hobbying by taking a slice out of my right thumb, just above the nail-bed. Couple millimetres further back and you'd've heard me screaming in Aichi. The bugger of it is, I somehow managed to cut the tip of my right thumb while holding the knife in my right hand. How is that even possible? I wasn't even cutting anything else at the time - I was using my left hand to chuck a bit of excess tomato in the gomi. Anyway, it's currently wadded up in kitchen paper until it agrees to stop bleeding sufficiently for me to put a plaster on it so I can go to bed without waking up to a murder scene...

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Re: What did you do today.

Post by Primarch » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:17 pm

I didn't do a lot for the past couple of days as I have been laid up in bed with a fever. It's all gone now, so I managed to sneak in 30 minutes painting this evening. Still working on my Napoleonic Brits, just the reins and whatnot on some cavalry. Hopefully I can get more done over the weekend.
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Re: What did you do today.

Post by me_in_japan » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:39 pm

I learned that the cut on my thumb not only prevents me from painting, but also means I can't play the PS3 (can't press buttons), can't wash dishes, and can't use the iPhone (with my right hand, at least.)

Most vexing :( Come on, thumb! Heal faster, damn you!

On the plus side, it's been nice hanging out and just chatting with my wee bro (he got here a few days ago, and is staying in Japan until Wednesday.)
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