The Army Painter

[kojibear]

Hi guys

Does anyone know a shop in Nagoya that sells army painter colour primers?

Cheers

[Primarch]

In Nagoya? No.
Look in the link section for shops in Japan and find the link for Full Metal Planet. They used to carry them. The owner (Taka-san) speaks English, so you can email him and check if need be.

[ashmie]

Full metal planet do stock them online. I love Army Painter. I recommend the dark tone dip for basic skin shading if you want your models to look kind of comic book like. I've recently started dipping just the skin and armour for models and then painting on top of that with everything else. It works better than dipping the whole thing.

[Primarch]

Having read a few forum entries elsewhere, you can just paint the 'dip' on with a big, old brush. It makes less mess that way and avoids the problem of the dip pooling in the wrong places. Obviously it is slower than dipping them all, but it gives a better overall effect (or so I have read).

[kojibear]

Hmm...I wasn't actually considering the dips, just the primers for their colour and matt effect.

What would be different than using say devlun mud wash guys???

[Primarch]

Hmm...I wasn't actually considering the dips, just the primers for their colour and matt effect.

What would be different than using say devlun mud wash guys???

Probably the price/quantity would be the biggest difference. I think the dips are pretty glossy though compared to Devlan Mud.

[Admiral-Badruck]

I have never used the Army painter dips... but DevlinMud... I hate that color...

[ashmie]

@ Koji,

Devlan mud is great for clothes. The minis not your own! The Army Painter dip is a shader and a gloss so you would need to either paint over with a highlight or use anti shine gloss spray on the top. The dip really is best for speed if you haven't got time to sit there with a brush to paint say 50 Goblins before next week.
It's great for getting the armies on the table quickly but you are not going to win any golden demon from using it so don't use it on minis that you are sensitive about making look super pretty. It's great for shading rear ranks of units. Have the best painted models in the first and second ranks and then have the rear ones base coated and dipped. I think the Primers you are interested in work well with the dip. As I said though if you just dip the basic colours and then go back and add some highlights it works well for depth of field.

Here's some videos about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FttcUrV4j-g&feature=fvsr

Also I can show you the difference between a dipped with added highlights and non dipped here, the one on the left has been dipped on the skin coat and then other colours added, the one on the right has no dip but two or three highlights.


Next the three guys in front are without dip the guys behind were all dipped yesterday with further colours added.



Here is the unit as a whole with the undipped at the front left and the dipped to the rear right of the ranks.



For an intermediate level painter like me there is not much in it. The dipped ones are more shiny but that will fade over time and at least it will be well protected.

[The Other Dave]

Hmm...I wasn't actually considering the dips, just the primers for their colour and matt effect.

What would be different than using say devlun mud wash guys???

Price, yeah. 12ml of Devlan Mud for 2 and a half GBP, or 200 yen for 220ml of water-based varnish from Daiso. If you're doing up, say, hundreds of goblins (i.e., any kind of large-scale army painting) there's really no comparison.

(I feel the same way about Army Painter's dips, FWIW - everything I've heard suggests they're pretty much the same thing as cheaper varnishes.)

Of course, it's immaterial because you're just interested in the primers, but I didn't notice till I'd started typing. I just like to get on my dipping hobby horse when the subject comes up.

[jus]

Devlan mud. That there is a fine item. I use it for its matt finish, and think its worth it just for that alone. Better stock up in the event of devlan drought.