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Post by Mike the Pike » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:42 am

In line with my variation on the Spevna stance I sent the following missive to GW the other day (round about the time I was winding up a certain Customs official ;) )

To whom it may concern,
I am writing to you regarding the recent increase in Shipping prices from the UK to Japan (and other locations) and the extremely negative feelings this has created amongst the gaming community here in Japan.

The recent changes now mean that shipping on a Land Raider kit have increased from 10 pounds to 50 pounds. I find this price rise totally unacceptable and can find no logical explanation to justify it. To make things even worse, this huge increase seems to have been applied to only select markets. For example, Korea, Japan's nearest neighbour, hasn't seen a price increase. Neither has Pitcairn Island. This is especially strange considering all mail to Pitcairn Island is first flown to New Zealand (which also faces a shipping increase) and then sent periodically by ship to the island itself.

It has been suggested that the increase is to encourage gamers to buy their product from Games workshop Japan's stores and/or website rather than the UK site. This would then help to grow the hobby in Japan. However, I find this line of reasoning rather insulting. In the Nagoya/Aichi area where I live the hobby was thriving long before GW even opened a store in Japan. It continues to thrive despite an almost complete lack of interest or encouragement from GW Japan. On top of that, the GW Japan website has no English information whatsoever. The gaming community in Japan has a disproportionately large expatriate component, especially outside Tokyo, something even GWJ couldn't have failed to notice. While many members of the ex-pat community can speak Japanese, not everyone has the language skills required to navigate and buy from a Japanese website.

Finally, it has long been apparent, to Japanese and expatriate gamers alike that there is a huge discrepancy between what UK hobbyists are paying for GW products and what shops in Japan are charging. Using the example of the Land raider mentioned above it is plain to see the huge difference. The GWUK price for a Land Raider is 41 pounds or 5114yen. However the price from GW Japan is a staggering 9000 yen. While taxes, shipping, Japan-side overheads and the like can probably account for some of the difference there is no logical justification for such an extreme difference. Why is this? It would seem GWJ's prices are set to reflect a exchange rate of around 220 yen to the pound. Unfortunately that has not been the exchange rate for around two years, not even close. Does this sort of disparity seem fair? Would it not be rather simple to set a new pricing system that reflected current exchange rates? No-one expects prices set to exact exchange rates but some sort of happy medium that includes a fair profit for GW but also reflects the ongoing strength of the Japanese yen. Either that or returning shipping costs from the UK to more realistic levels.

I would very much appreciate it if someone there could take the time to reply to this mail and answer some of the above queries that have come up. While I realize that Games Workshop is a busy company I think that the Gaming community in Japan deserves some answers. I look forward to hearing from you in the near future.
Which I think covers some of our recent concerns. I just received the following reply from GW Japan's Giovanni....

Dear Customers,



Thank you for your messages regarding the price rise of the shipping fees from the UK/USA to Japan.

I can understand your frustration in not being able to enjoy a service you where very comfortable with, and we are very sorry that you are feeling upset. Many of you mentioned they wouldn’t receive a reply from Games Workshop, but since we take pride in our customer service I am very glad to share some thoughts and explain the reasons why we had to take such a decision.



Concerning the English language support, we understand that a lot of English speaking foreigners find it hard to understand Japanese. We won’t leave you alone to deal with the Japanese web store by yourselves. We are happy to provide you with guidance, and help to place your orders. I will be more than happy to help you ordering your items through the Japanese web store. You will enjoy an easy and straight forward service with reliable and inclusive prices.



English Language Support Benefits:

l Japanese Bilingual Customer Service:

You can ring from Monday to Friday at 03-3296-3512, and I will personally provide help and guidance to either place an order on the Japanese webstore or placing an order on your behalf using the Customer Service System.

l Access to all of the English and Specialist Games range:

Simply browse through the other countries web stores and once you have decided what products you need just ring the Customer Service Team we will be able to place an order on your behalf. You can also find the same English language products on the Japanese web store in the related section.



Now I think are in order some explanations about the recent changes in the shipping fees. You might not know that shipping items from a country to the other is extremely expensive and the process is very long and often difficult. These difficulties are reflected by the shipping prices most companies will charge you when you send products from a country to another. Games Workshop unfortunately is no different then other companies and we have to face a lot of costs during the shipping process. Until now Games Workshop UK/US where absorbing this extra cost but the actual economic situation does not allows Games Workshop UK/US to absorb these costs any longer and as a consequence the latter are reflected on the shipping charges to our customers.

In case you are not convinced I would suggest you check the shipping fees companies such as UPS or DHL charge their customers you will be surprised as I was when I asked.

Games Workshop Japan as well is facing costs that are not influenced by the exchange rate (wages, rents etc.) therefore if you add all together this factors you will undoubtedly have higher prices, but on the other hand through the Japanese web store we are able to offer much better shipping fees and services to our customers



Japanese Web Store Benefits:

l Access to the full range of Games Workshop products and English language products. (Note that this is a service we only offer for Japan, if you want to buy for example an Italian Codex from Japan you will have to do that from the Italian web site with related shipping fees!)

l Inclusive Japanese Shipping Fees:

1) Free shipping for orders over 10.000 Yen

2) Standard Shipping 750 Yen (orders under 10.000 Yen)

3) Express shipping 2250 Yen (1500 Yen for order over 10.000 Yen)

4) Cash on Delivery Service 2250 Yen (1800 Yen for orders over 10.000 Yen)

5) Access to all of the English language products and Specialist game range





I hope this message can give you an idea of why certain decisions where made and I hope you will understand the future benefits these changes will make possible.



Sincerely

Games Workshop Japan

Customer Service Manager



Giovanni Allari
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Re: Correspondence

Post by Mike the Pike » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:45 am

His response regarding shipping fee increases is, quite frankly, ludicrous. I mean, a quick look at the Royal Mail website shows that to send a Chaos Defiler (500g) in a 100g box (That's a hefty box!) would cost between 4.84 pounds and 12.83 depending on the service.

http://sg.royalmail.com/portal/rm/Price ... d=23500532

I give them 1 out of 5 for their response as they did answer the query about the lack of English support. The rest is just cobblers.

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Re: Correspondence

Post by ashmie » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:52 am

I say Mike the Pike is an unsung hero for writing such a great letter to them and as for GW I would have to say

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! :evil: :twisted: :x

Well done Mike. Reminds me of the response I got when I was turned away from Exeter store. Next time the area manager said he would give me a game.
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Re: Correspondence

Post by ennui » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:03 am

I call bullshit.

Among many of the "interesting" points in the reply, this one struck me as particularly funny/ludicrous:

"You'll ENJOY shopping on the Japanese site, even if it's in Japanese! Just BROWSE THE OTHER SITES IN OTHER LANGUAGES, then call me and tell me what you want! The Japanese site couldn't be simpler!"

(paraphrased for clarity)
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Re: Correspondence

Post by Mike the Pike » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:30 am

Wow! What bullshit they have their man spinning. I have been playing around with the Royal Mail site and it really is unbelievable.

I suspect the service they have been using is the International small packet rate which is generally the most economical/fast for packages up to 2kg. Even Dreadfleet which is a pretty hefty box weighs in under 2kg. Postage on this should be about 23.13pounds to Japan for a personal customer. Even the 'old' prices are more expensive than this at 29pounds. They really are taking the piss (not that ANYONE is surprised anymore).

I mailed Giovanni back and presented him with these figures as well as re-iterating the fact that rates differ between countries. I look forward to reading what he has to say.

P.S. Part 2 of my new Spevna stance inspired dealings with GW will hopefully come to fruition in the next few days. Watch this space.
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Re: Correspondence

Post by me_in_japan » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:07 am

Actually, I suspect they dont use Royal Mail at all. It's terribly unreliable. Even Amazon dont use it anymore, I believe. Regardless, whatever courier theyre using couldnt possibly be charging anything like fifty quid for a land raider. Hell, for 50 quid I could have em next day deliver it to my hands, even if those hands were on Easter Island...
Even Dreadfleet which is a pretty hefty box weighs in under 2kg. Postage on this should be about 23.13pounds to Japan for a personal customer.
Sadly, Royal Mail are one company I trust even less than GW. They charged my dad 70quid to ship space hulk here some time ago and I'm pretty sure it was under 2kg (said they couldnt do it cheaper, to his face. My dad, being a lovely man who trusts people, paid their extravagant prices). Royal Mail are absolute scam artists. Anyway, as I said above, tho, GW probly dont use em. If they are, theyre stupider than I thought (which would make em so unbelievably stupid that we'd need to invent a new word to describe their foolishness.)

I feel pretty sorry for Giovanni for having to deal with GWs ass-hattery. I'm sure he signed up hoping for a life of gaming by day and gaming by night. What he ended up with was: Fend off the peasants while we flee for the ships...

that said, I do feel that :
You might not know that shipping items from a country to the other is extremely expensive and the process is very long and often difficult.
is a rather silly thing to say to someone who is complaining that he can get stuff shipped here from other countries cheaper than he can buy them here.
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Re: Correspondence

Post by The Other Dave » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:14 am

Mike the Pike wrote:I look forward to reading what he has to say.
To be (kind of) fair, I can tell you exactly what he'll have to say: the company line about how this is an unadulterated positive for us as GW customers in Japan. Because he wants to keep his job, y'know?
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Re: Correspondence

Post by Mike the Pike » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:25 am

@MIJ: Sorry mate, they do use Royal Mail. At least I assume that's what all those Royal Mail stickers on my parcels mean. :lol:
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Re: Correspondence

Post by me_in_japan » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:41 am

Mike the Pike wrote:@MIJ: Sorry mate, they do use Royal Mail. At least I assume that's what all those Royal Mail stickers on my parcels mean. :lol:
I stand corrected. Looks like we needs us a new adjective, then...
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Re: Correspondence

Post by Primarch » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:49 am

me_in_japan wrote:
Mike the Pike wrote:@MIJ: Sorry mate, they do use Royal Mail. At least I assume that's what all those Royal Mail stickers on my parcels mean. :lol:
I stand corrected. Looks like we needs us a new adjective, then...
Guess who Maelstrom use for shipping? Royal Mail! I'd hazard a guess that Wayland and in fact most companies sending small boxes that dont need to be there the next day do so. I know my mum does and I've never had a parcel go missing or be delayed except for when customs got their grubby mitts on it. :D

I just dragged my Space Hulk box out from the bottom of a pile of unopened boxes. I took the wrapper off and that was pretty much it. It does seem pretty heavy, though I have no scales with which to check it. If it is over 2kg, the price goes up fairly quickly. Plus, if your Dad thought to get insurance and/or signed for delivery and tracking for your expensive and limited edition game (I think Yellow Submarine in Nagoya may still have a copy) then that would explain the massive price as all those options are expensive and also totally unnecessary when shipping to Japan.
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