Gun Emplacements
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:48 pm
Hope GW releases a FAQ on Gun Emplacements. The rules are a bit vague and at times confusing requiring a lot of cross referencing. I've tried to pool together some gun emplacement rules and questions. Please comment or expand on.
Q1. If you had two gun emplacements from two detachments close enough together that one model could touch them at the same time, could that model operate both of them in the same phase? Same or different targets?
A1. Page 105 (Gun Emplacements) says you have to follow normal rules for shooting and that the model can fire the gun emplacement instead of his own weapon. So I'm saying no on both counts when in the shooting phase. However, if the gun emplacement has the Interceptor rule on page 38, at the end of the opponents movement phase I would say the answer is yes to both questions.
Q2. Can a model that moved that turn still fire a gun emplacment at full BS if the gun emplacement is classified as a Heavy?
A2. I think this is yes as page 51 (Heavy Weapons) speaks specifically to a model carrying a heavy weapon moving in the preceding movement phase and a gun emplacement is not carried. That said, in the Spirit of the Game, it may be more appropriate to treat as a Heavy and say the complexity of using the gun equates to moving with a Heavy.
Q3. In the shooting phase can a model that fires a gun emplacement still assault that turn?
A3. Page 51 (Heavy Weapons) says that models that shoot with heavy weapons in the shooting phase can't charge in the assault phase, so no.
Q4. If that model can assault, does it have to assault what the gun emplacement fired on?
A4. Unless someone deep sixes my Q3 answer, I'm just sticking with this being an invalid question since you can't assault after firing the gun emplacement.
Q5. If someone is trying to assault a unit that is touching a gun emplacement, is the gun emplacement used in overwatch?
A5. Page 105 (Gun Emplacement) says a model in base contact with a gun emplacement fires using normal shooting rules, so yes.
Q6. If someone is trying to assault a unit that is touching a gun emplacement, is the gun emplacement part of the unit for the purpose of close combat or can it be ignored? Especially crucial for contact by initial charger given the toughness and save of the gun emplacements.
A6. This gets a little gray because of the mix of somewhat conflicting rules that make up gun emplacments. No where in the rule book does it say once a model touches a gun emplacement that it's part of the unit. On page 105 it even mentions gun emplacements giving cover saves to models. It does say a gun emplacement can be shot at or attacked in close combat and are hit automatically in CC. I think the attacker has to designate whether or not they will initiate CC with a gun emplacement. If not, they need to go around it to get at the unit they want to fight, although that attacking unit could be in physical contact with the emplacment and choose not to attack it so my answer is no.
Q7. Can a stand alone gun emplacement be fired without an operator?
A7. The only reference I can find to automated fire for emplaced weapons is on page 96 which is referring to occupied buildings, so I'm going to say no.
Q8. If a stand alone gun emplacement can be fired without an operator, what is the BS for it?
A8. On the off chance a standalone gun emplacement is still treated like an occupied building, the auto BS would be 2.
Q9. Can a gun emplacment perform "Look Out Sir?"
A9. No because per page 16 "Look Out Sir" has to be performed by models in the same unit.
Q10. Can characters use the Precision Shot rule on page 63 with gun emplacements?
A10. Yes because page 105 (Gun Emplacement) says a model in base contact with a gun emplacement fires using normal shooting rules.
Q11. Is line of sight from the gun emplacement or the firing model?
A11. I think this is an oversight on the part of GW. Gun emplacements in buildings use weapon LoS per page 97, but standalone gun emplacements follow normal shooting rules per page 105. In the Spirit of the Game I think it should be weapon LoS for all gun emplacements.
Q12. When purchasing additional options on the Bastion fortifications where do you put them?
A12. The rules aren't specific here (they are on the Fortress of Redemption), so you can make them part of the building or use as a standalone. In the case of gun emplacements that means following different sets of rules as discussed above. As a note, the data sheet on page 116 shows the comms as a standalone but throughout the book the bastions also have emplacments on the top level. The kit is modeled to cover both instances.
Q13. This one isn't exactly a gun emplacment questions, but if you made an enclosed shape with an Aegis line, could a player put an objective marker within the enclosure?
A13. Per Place Objective Markers on page 121, no objective can be place in fortifications, you can not if the Aegis line is completely enclosed.
Q1. If you had two gun emplacements from two detachments close enough together that one model could touch them at the same time, could that model operate both of them in the same phase? Same or different targets?
A1. Page 105 (Gun Emplacements) says you have to follow normal rules for shooting and that the model can fire the gun emplacement instead of his own weapon. So I'm saying no on both counts when in the shooting phase. However, if the gun emplacement has the Interceptor rule on page 38, at the end of the opponents movement phase I would say the answer is yes to both questions.
Q2. Can a model that moved that turn still fire a gun emplacment at full BS if the gun emplacement is classified as a Heavy?
A2. I think this is yes as page 51 (Heavy Weapons) speaks specifically to a model carrying a heavy weapon moving in the preceding movement phase and a gun emplacement is not carried. That said, in the Spirit of the Game, it may be more appropriate to treat as a Heavy and say the complexity of using the gun equates to moving with a Heavy.
Q3. In the shooting phase can a model that fires a gun emplacement still assault that turn?
A3. Page 51 (Heavy Weapons) says that models that shoot with heavy weapons in the shooting phase can't charge in the assault phase, so no.
Q4. If that model can assault, does it have to assault what the gun emplacement fired on?
A4. Unless someone deep sixes my Q3 answer, I'm just sticking with this being an invalid question since you can't assault after firing the gun emplacement.
Q5. If someone is trying to assault a unit that is touching a gun emplacement, is the gun emplacement used in overwatch?
A5. Page 105 (Gun Emplacement) says a model in base contact with a gun emplacement fires using normal shooting rules, so yes.
Q6. If someone is trying to assault a unit that is touching a gun emplacement, is the gun emplacement part of the unit for the purpose of close combat or can it be ignored? Especially crucial for contact by initial charger given the toughness and save of the gun emplacements.
A6. This gets a little gray because of the mix of somewhat conflicting rules that make up gun emplacments. No where in the rule book does it say once a model touches a gun emplacement that it's part of the unit. On page 105 it even mentions gun emplacements giving cover saves to models. It does say a gun emplacement can be shot at or attacked in close combat and are hit automatically in CC. I think the attacker has to designate whether or not they will initiate CC with a gun emplacement. If not, they need to go around it to get at the unit they want to fight, although that attacking unit could be in physical contact with the emplacment and choose not to attack it so my answer is no.
Q7. Can a stand alone gun emplacement be fired without an operator?
A7. The only reference I can find to automated fire for emplaced weapons is on page 96 which is referring to occupied buildings, so I'm going to say no.
Q8. If a stand alone gun emplacement can be fired without an operator, what is the BS for it?
A8. On the off chance a standalone gun emplacement is still treated like an occupied building, the auto BS would be 2.
Q9. Can a gun emplacment perform "Look Out Sir?"
A9. No because per page 16 "Look Out Sir" has to be performed by models in the same unit.
Q10. Can characters use the Precision Shot rule on page 63 with gun emplacements?
A10. Yes because page 105 (Gun Emplacement) says a model in base contact with a gun emplacement fires using normal shooting rules.
Q11. Is line of sight from the gun emplacement or the firing model?
A11. I think this is an oversight on the part of GW. Gun emplacements in buildings use weapon LoS per page 97, but standalone gun emplacements follow normal shooting rules per page 105. In the Spirit of the Game I think it should be weapon LoS for all gun emplacements.
Q12. When purchasing additional options on the Bastion fortifications where do you put them?
A12. The rules aren't specific here (they are on the Fortress of Redemption), so you can make them part of the building or use as a standalone. In the case of gun emplacements that means following different sets of rules as discussed above. As a note, the data sheet on page 116 shows the comms as a standalone but throughout the book the bastions also have emplacments on the top level. The kit is modeled to cover both instances.
Q13. This one isn't exactly a gun emplacment questions, but if you made an enclosed shape with an Aegis line, could a player put an objective marker within the enclosure?
A13. Per Place Objective Markers on page 121, no objective can be place in fortifications, you can not if the Aegis line is completely enclosed.