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Admiral-Badruck wrote:I will put it this way... I would not take a Vindicator in any other codex because it is too slow... hell it can move 18 if it needs to contest an objective..all good stuff.. and as Prime says it is not a game breaker... just an army breaker... hehehe

Whereas I would take a Vindicator in EVERY dex (I have one each for Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Raven Guard). They are awesome in everyway.
Want to kill horde infantry? Check
Want to kill heavy infantry? Check
Want to cause instant death to most things? Check
Want to pop Land Raiders open? Check
Want to move through cover better than anything else in the game? Check
Want to do all this and still be dirt cheap? Check check check.

I will put it this way... If I meet someone in a tournament with a vindicator I will be happy. Maybe one exception demonic possession. Any glance or pen will render it useless the next turn.

They have the same problem as the baal with flamestorm. If you get first turn scoutmove get up close and personal and then kill 5 marines realy good. Then a melta to the front or missile to the side.

I look forward to playing with you! I need to get that competitive thinking out of my head.

Fast rhinos awesome, required to buy it on all rhino chassi not that great anymore.

Primarch wrote:

Admiral-Badruck wrote:I will put it this way... I would not take a Vindicator in any other codex because it is too slow... hell it can move 18 if it needs to contest an objective..all good stuff.. and as Prime says it is not a game breaker... just an army breaker... hehehe

Whereas I would take a Vindicator in EVERY dex (I have one each for Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Raven Guard). They are awesome in everyway.
Want to kill horde infantry? Check
Want to kill heavy infantry? Check
Want to cause instant death to most things? Check
Want to pop Land Raiders open? Check
Want to move through cover better than anything else in the game? Check
Want to do all this and still be dirt cheap? Check check check.

one word "RANGE" not enough... one more word.. Hammer Head... kills you dead before you get even half way to range...

Admiral-Badruck wrote:one word "RANGE" not enough... one more word.. Hammer Head... kills you dead before you get even half way to range...

Starting distance between deployment zones = 24" max.
Range of gun 24" plus 6" move (12 for BA).
Seems fine to me, your Tau must be using that new math. I guess its hard to count when you dont have the right number of fingers.

frans wrote:Any glance or pen will render it useless the next turn.

This is generally true of most tanks though. Hammerheads, Fire Prisms, Leman Russ etc are all in the same boat. Shaken, Stunned or Weapon Destroyed results are the bane of tanks with only 1 main gun. Land Raiders and Predators with multiple guns dont fare too badly on the damage chart. Unlike other vehicles, you can happily park a vindicator anywhere on the table hidden in terrain. You get a cover save and dont need to worry at all about dangerous terrain tests.
Vindicators are cheap, powerful and a fire magnet, which can be used to your advantage.

I do not like to see one on the other side of the table but they are not that great. walk on with my broad sides and BAM your dead... or marines drop pod nest to you Bang your dead... that is what 135 points dead in one turn... if it is more than 135 then I am really happy you are taking one...

If only it were that easy Madmiral. Plonking a Vindi in cover gives it a 4+ Cover save.That, and against Team Edward, it's easy to forget it's there. There's usually a lot of game winning nutters in Rhinos or descending like Angels that are usually more of a priority.

Admiral-Badruck wrote:I do not like to see one on the other side of the table but they are not that great. walk on with my broad sides and BAM your dead... or marines drop pod nest to you Bang your dead... that is what 135 points dead in one turn... if it is more than 135 then I am really happy you are taking one...

Having used them a lot recently, I have killed 250 point Land Raiders with them in one shot. So thats a fair trade off really. They can one shot a squad of terminators, mega nobs or wraith guard off the table and more than make their points back.

Oh, and 135 (or 125 for none BA) isn't that expensive a model to lose. My Predators come in more expensive than that.

Prim's right (again)- 125 pts for a tank is quite reasonable. Most eldar gunships come in at 150 or more (assuming HF, which you really should assume.)

As for Vindis specifically, again, I'm with Prim - big blast, huge strength, can shoot from cover. What's not to like? 24" range is short compared to a hammerhead, sure, but when is a hammerhead ever 60" away? When is anything ever that far away?

only in apocalypse.

the hammer head just has to be 25 inches away at the end of the Vindys movement phase... to be safe... the same is not true of the vindicator