Monday the 16th - The End of the World?

[Mike the Pike]

F*ck GW! There I said it.
As official GW apologist for this site I don't think I can maintain the charade any longer. Just been reading the finecast complaints thread on Warseer. GW have the coolest looking models but it's just too bad the materials no longer do them any justice. Fineca$t is a joke. Teething problems with a new material are one thing but come on. For F*cks sake!

BTW how do I do this Spevna stance thing? Left foot forward? Right? Equidistant? Chest thrust menacingly forward?

[job]

Yeah, I quietly feared this when I heard that they were moving to resin. It might not be fair, but having worked with resin stuff for BF miniatures, I've seen my share of miscasts. Maybe you can work around these miscasts with tanks, or maybe it is the policy of replacing any miscasts promptly, but I think I give BF the benefit of the doubt because I've been working on their models for awhile. Anyway, I really enjoy painting the metal models.

[Spevna]

F*ck GW! There I said it.
As official GW apologist for this site I don't think I can maintain the charade any longer. Just been reading the finecast complaints thread on Warseer. GW have the coolest looking models but it's just too bad the materials no longer do them any justice. Fineca$t is a joke. Teething problems with a new material are one thing but come on. For F*cks sake!

BTW how do I do this Spevna stance thing? Left foot forward? Right? Equidistant? Chest thrust menacingly forward?

A certain amount of chest thrusting is a good thing. Grimacing and glaring goes down well too.

[Primarch]

IF anyone does want finecast models (Jus?) Maelstrom have them up on the store and you can order them until 11:59PM (UK time) today, the 30th. After that the new shipping goes into effect and you'll have to buy from GW. Note that Maelstroms 18% offer is also still good, but that the price hikes have gone into effect.

[me_in_japan]

interesting wee thread, here.

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/sho ... f-I-ran-GW

Note for those wot dont know: Chern Ann Ng is the owner of CMON, which may be just a painting site to you, but its a painting site that can afford to put up 10,000USD for a first prize in its painting competition, plus pretty hefty 2nd and 3rd prizes. Yon Chern Ann chappy knows what he's about when it comes to business.

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/sho ... servations

just to prove that he's a businessman worth listening to

*edit* he mentions Razer as his most successful company. I looked it up. DAMN those mice are expensive. and, ahahah, the customer base for that company makes the customer base for CMON look like fashionable young socialites

[ennui]

This was pretty awesome reading.

[Mike the Pike]

He certainly has some interesting ideas. However, I think comparing comics and minis is like comparing apples and oranges. They are similarthings but not exactly the same. Actually, I think even comparing PP and GW isn't very accurate either. Woah-hammer is a fairly large scale battle game. Warmahordes is a skirmish game. They are only the same thing if you consider the 'Total War' series of computer games comparable to 'Call of Duty'.

It also really terrifies to think of what Hollywood would do to the 40K universe. He cites the success of the X-men franchise but doesn't really address the fact that while parts 1 and 2 were quite good, part 3 and the Wolverine thingy were a bit shite by all accounts. Also, for every 'X-men' there has been a 'Judge Dredd'

僕の二円

[Primarch]

He certainly has some interesting ideas. However, I think comparing comics and minis is like comparing apples and oranges. They are similarthings but not exactly the same. Actually, I think even comparing PP and GW isn't very accurate either. Woah-hammer is a fairly large scale battle game. Warmahordes is a skirmish game. They are only the same thing if you consider the 'Total War' series of computer games comparable to 'Call of Duty'.

I agree with Pikey on this one. Comics are often sold through a massive chain of distributors around the world (Diamond being the largest I believe). Marvel are PURELY a production company. Its possible to find their comics in convenience stores and newsagents. GW are a production, wholesale and retail company and he is suggesting moving them out of retail. This may or may not be a good thing, but GW have obviously decided (due to all of their experience and their research) that retail is good. Maybe that is changing now with the 1-man shops etc, but when I lived in the UK, I know I spent a lot of time in my local GW store. GW may be terrible at maintaining their image, awful at communicating with customers, unhelpful to their clients, and generally a PITA to deal with, but I suspect they know their own market as well as Marvel know theirs.
They may yet change, who knows.

[ennui]

He certainly has some interesting ideas. However, I think comparing comics and minis is like comparing apples and oranges. They are similarthings but not exactly the same. Actually, I think even comparing PP and GW isn't very accurate either. Woah-hammer is a fairly large scale battle game. Warmahordes is a skirmish game. They are only the same thing if you consider the 'Total War' series of computer games comparable to 'Call of Duty'.

Regarding PP vs GW, you are arguing semantics here. They're both miniature war games. I think that comparing Marvel to GW is accurate because they're both targeting the exact same audience and competing for the same buck. Or pence or whatever.

I agree with Pikey on this one. Comics are often sold through a massive chain of distributors around the world (Diamond being the largest I believe). Marvel are PURELY a production company. Its possible to find their comics in convenience stores and newsagents. GW are a production, wholesale and retail company and he is suggesting moving them out of retail.

This is exactly his point. GW is half production, half retail. And retail is obviously bleeding them dry and they're horrible at it. Becoming PURELY a production company would get rid of the dead weight and free up their capital for finding ways of spreading the hobby other than enticing little boys to spend their parent's cash.

This may or may not be a good thing, but GW have obviously decided (due to all of their experience and their research) that retail is good. Maybe that is changing now with the 1-man shops etc, but when I lived in the UK, I know I spent a lot of time in my local GW store. GW may be terrible at maintaining their image, awful at communicating with customers, unhelpful to their clients, and generally a PITA to deal with, but I suspect they know their own market as well as Marvel know theirs.
They may yet change, who knows.

They know their market? That's why everyone IN the market is currently bitching and moaning over their decisions as a company? heh.

It also really terrifies to think of what Hollywood would do to the 40K universe... Also, for every 'X-men' there has been a 'Judge Dredd'

Yeah, it'd be HORRIBLE if 40k became a brand name known by EVERYONE, regardless of their degree of nerdliness. I mean, imagine if it even became a hit overseas!!! Besides, Judge Dredd looked like it was pretty spot on to the comic to me.

[Primarch]

This may or may not be a good thing, but GW have obviously decided (due to all of their experience and their research) that retail is good. Maybe that is changing now with the 1-man shops etc, but when I lived in the UK, I know I spent a lot of time in my local GW store. GW may be terrible at maintaining their image, awful at communicating with customers, unhelpful to their clients, and generally a PITA to deal with, but I suspect they know their own market as well as Marvel know theirs.
They may yet change, who knows.

They know their market? That's why everyone IN the market is currently bitching and moaning over their decisions as a company? heh.

People have been bitching and moaning since the start. Half of the gaming community is lapping up their new resin models even at the higher prices and poor quality control. I'm not saying that I agree with them, but if they really just want to turn a fast buck for their shareholders they have at least considered the best way to do that.

It also really terrifies to think of what Hollywood would do to the 40K universe... Also, for every 'X-men' there has been a 'Judge Dredd'

Yeah, it'd be HORRIBLE if 40k became a brand name known by EVERYONE, regardless of their degree of nerdliness. I mean, imagine if it even became a hit overseas!!! Besides, Judge Dredd looked like it was pretty spot on to the comic to me.

Er... Apart from the part where he takes his helmet off in the first few seconds. In all the comics (which come out every two weeks and have been around for decades), you never once see his face. The movie itself wasn't that bad, but for fans of the comic this was a big sticking point. Imagine the uproar if they had taken away Wolverine's claws and gave him a gun instead.