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child seats/prams

Post by me_in_japan » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:40 am

completely non-mini related question here, for all the dads out there:

We're looking to get a child seat (for the car) and a pram type of thing (for small baby), and we were wondering if folks had any recommendations. If possible I'd like to get a seat/pram combo that are compatible with each other. i.e. you can press a button and lift the baby-containing part of the pram out and plug it into the baby-seat receptacle in the car. I've heard you can buy this kind of thing as a set or as two separate purchases. Does anybody have any advice or recommendations, either good brands, or places to go shopping for em? (preferably online, but actual shops will do.)

Thanks a lot :)

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Post by Tenorikuma » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:01 am

me_in_japan wrote:completely non-mini related question here, for all the dads out there:

We're looking to get a child seat (for the car) and a pram type of thing (for small baby), and we were wondering if folks had any recommendations. If possible I'd like to get a seat/pram combo that are compatible with each other. i.e. you can press a button and lift the baby-containing part of the pram out and plug it into the baby-seat receptacle in the car. I've heard you can buy this kind of thing as a set or as two separate purchases. Does anybody have any advice or recommendations, either good brands, or places to go shopping for em? (preferably online, but actual shops will do.)

Thanks a lot :)

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I don't have a car, but we made do with a reclining baby carriage that could be fully enclosed, and we also had one of those baby harnesses (onbu himo in Japanese). We bought the latter at Aeon Jusco.
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Post by Spevna » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:51 am

We got a pretty good one when Leila was born and are now using it for Ayla.

It is a baby seat for small babies (up to 1 year) that locks into the frame of the buggy when you are out and about. The good thing about it is that the frame of the buggy has a seat already built into it that can be used when the baby outgrows the detachable part.

I dont recall the name off the top of my head but I will have a look and let you know soon enough.
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Re: child seats/prams

Post by me_in_japan » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:40 pm

cheers folks - Mus, if you could find out specifics thatd be v handy. Thanks.

From what I've dug up so far online, it seems that japanese baby seats are not very good, as there is very little regulation of such things. It would appear that a law is going to be brought in whereby all child seats must adhere to european safety standards (?!), but most seats do not meet this at the moment. Japanese ones can look the business, but are not very well tested for actual safety. This problem seems to be of sufficient concern that the majority of websites I've checked have said in no uncertain terms: Do not buy a Japanese made child car seat. Import one from the US or europe.

Has anybody else found this? It's a whole new can of worms I wasnt anticipating. I had thought I could just go online or go to a shop and say "I want a baby seat that fits in a buggy" and pay some money and get one. That's what everybody I know in the UK did. It would appear that I'm asking too much here, though...
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Post by Admiral-Badruck » Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:21 pm

I guess my advice is baced on my first two girls but here I am in the same boat. Something you might consider is babies grow rather fast. I think we went through about 4 car seats. As for prams I found that the lighter and easier they are to store and lift the better they are to use.
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Post by Mike the Pike » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:21 am

We have used 2 different baby car seat/pram/push chair combos (like Spev) and have been fairly happy with both. One was Japanese (Combi) and one was Dutch (Quinny/Max Cosi). Both were fairly similar, each consisting of a portable 'capsule' style car seat that strapped into the car via the seat belt and a convertible frame that you can click the car seat into fairly easily to make a pram. Both can also be converted to a push chair with minimal fuss. Both were pretty pricey but we use them/have used them almost every day for the past few years. Both are perfectly acceptable and neither has any major problems.

We have had the Combi brand seat for seven years and it has served us well. In fact, we only bought the other one because my wife backed over the push chair part and broke the wheels. We still use the baby seat part as we have two cars. As for safety, my son survived two car crashes in it without even knowing what was going on. One was a rear-ender on the way home from his baptism and the other was crashing into a parked truck at 50km/h. The car was written off but he wasn't even scratched.

The other brand Quinny/Max Cosi is apparently pretty popular at the mo'. Becks has one and so does my Sister ;) But apart from looking slightly cooler, I can't tell the difference between the two sets. The set does with a nice carry bag for when it's folded which has been kinda handy but definitely not necessary. The only 'con' I notice is that it doesn't seem quite as strong as the Japanese one, even though some reviews rave about its strength.

If you want to go ahead and buy a similar combo, here are some things to consider + pros and cons.
-They are pretty expensive initially.
-Japanese ones have more after sales support.
-How easy is it to put/take out of the car? Could you do it without waking a baby?
-Most importantly. is it really that light? You may think so, but can your wife pick it up with a baby in it whilst carrying shopping and a nappy bag?

Then there are also...
Full lie flat car seats that may or may not convert into seats for older infants and children. Lie flat is supposed to be better for the baby and we have used one but found it just wasn't as convenient. It proved almost impossible to take the babies out without waking them. They are probably better for very young babies but really you shouldn't be taking a baby out that often under 3 months anyway. None of our children have developed hunch backs or any of the other supposed problems that some reviewers warn of.

Also worth considering...
Lotsa folks seem to be going with push chair/prams with Pneumatic tyres for better off-road performance (???) If you are into hiking and doing lotsa walking then they may be for you. However for a regular walk in the park/shopping etc, 'normal' wheels will probably suffice.

Ombu Himo/Dako Himo/Baby Bjorn etc. For a quick trip to the shops, a short stroll or just carrying the baby around the house these things can be pretty good. Less fuss than farting round with prams sometimes and pretty cheap. The Japanese ones carry the bay either on the back or the side/front are very simple and perhaps a little less safe than Euro style baby packs etc. With you and the baby moving around they could conceivably slip out but, trust me, you would notice. I prefer the Dako himo for carrying my kids as I can still see them. It only leaves me with 1 and 1/2 hands but for a short trip it isn't a problem. It's also helpful when doing chores at home. As for baby packs etc IMHO they are too troublesome. We have a couple but hardly ever use them.

One last thing, don't buy a seat/pram on the net. Go to a store and try one out. Play around with it. Check how easy it is to use. See if it fits in your car etc. As for stores, try 'Nishimatsuya', 'Hello Akachan', Any big shopping centre or Toysrus/Babiesrus (There's one in Tsu and Yokkaichi).

I hope some of that helps.
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Re: child seats/prams

Post by me_in_japan » Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:59 am

Thanks a lot mike - lots of very useful information there. I'm interested that you say to not buy one on the net, but your reasons make a lot of sense. I'll try to get to Toysrus tomorrow, and I'll have a look for some of those other places you mentioned, too.

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Post by Mike the Pike » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:28 pm

Actually, buying on the net isn't a absolute no-no. You can always go to the baby store, play around with a 'real' one, find one that you like then go out and find the best price on the net.

If you are going to Toysrus, go to the one in Yokkaichi if you can. Their website says Tsu only has the Toy section and not the Babiesrus bit. While they might have some stuff the Yokkaichi store will have heaps more, if it's like the one in Toyohashi.

Your wife might want to check this out...

http://www2.toysrus.co.jp/store/storein ... hp?id=4640
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Post by me_in_japan » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:35 am

thanks a lot, Mike. We're off to the Yokkaichi one now. Here's hoping they have what we need. :)
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Post by Grim Ironjaw » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:29 am

For strollers, Mrs. Ironjaw insists that basket size is key. And if you buy at a shop, ask them to let you check whether the contraption actually fits in the trunk of your car.

She also loves the Ergo (sports type) baby carrier. I prefer the Baby Bjorn. Must have logged 100+ hours with each, and they're fantastic.
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