Monday the 16th - The End of the World?

[Mike the Pike]

Believe it or not?

From GW's Facebook page...

Games Workshop: Also, chaps, we've spotted the odd comment about the safety of the resin. As with all our products, this has been vigorously checked. There are currently many formulations of resin used across the world. The resin material we are using for Citadel Finecast models has undergone testing by a leading international toy safety testing agency. They identified no risks to health and recommend no special precautions.

[me_in_japan]

I believe it, actually. Throw enough money at a project (and one must assume that GW has plenty of that. We paid em - we should know...) and you can come up with all kinds of chemical jiggery pokery. Also, GW are many things, but they do have competent lawyers, and no lawyer in his right mind would OK a statement like that if it wasnt 100% true.

I wonder if FW would ever be amalgamated back into GW. If both companies are using resin, then it might make financial sense to just fold em together, get FW stuff cast up in the new uber resin, and go from there.

*bingbing* all aboard for the FW price hike!

[Mike the Pike]

Not defending GW or nuffin' but I just couldn't see them moving to a resin that's a)hard to work with and b)toxic to boot just in the name of profits (or would they?)

Actually I think Govt. regulations probably had as much to do with the 'new' material as anything. While FW and other manufacturers might be able to sneak under the radar as specialized model suppliers and be somehow exempted I don't think GW with it's high street stores and altogether higher profile would get away with flogging anything that is potentially carcinogenic.

Still doesn't make the twin pills any less bitter to swallow

[Admiral-Badruck]

are people still posting on this thread WT# GW is dead to me... Pike says he is not their squire... but from where I sit he just keeps helping them out... I think I see a red shirt in his future...

[Mike the Pike]

@The Madmiral: As usual, huh? Squire? Weren't you an Outrider for a while the champ?

For someone who says GW is dead to him, it's nice to see him calling for folks to join him at a GW sanctioned gaming day at a GW partner store playing GW's foremost game, 40K. Who's the squire now? (whatever the hell that means?)

[Seb]

I don't hate GW, and after a lot of thinking here is how I feel about the recent changes that they have made..

* Price Raise - The most controversial I guess, but for a hobbyist like me putting it simple it means nothing more than I am going to buy less miniatures than before. Actually seeing this one positively it means that I am less prone to go off buy a lot of models in some army that I will never finish, this is a good chance to think about the money spending and improving your army really step by step. Buying something small once in a while and putting a lot of feeling into putting it together, painting it, making that expensive piece really look good. If you pay more for models in an army for me it means that I will unconsciously spend more time and effort into making them look good.

* Trade Agreement Changes - We can no longer buy from internet supplier like wayland games etc. Well I don't buy miniatures every month and I don't want to buy miniatures in the scale that you could from them either. Actually I never bought from overseas by myself because I don't have any way of gettingmy money there. I will buy at places like Town Crier, it is a good chance to support the hobby locally, maybe getting more players. Kinda hangs together with the price raise but I think to be honest that the amount of minis that you could buy from the internet suppliers was not healthy.

* Change to Resin - While I like to have my commander miniature in metal, as long as I have I don't mind this. Except for my centerpiece I would prefer resin, or a material that is easier to work with than metal. According to GW it is not toxic as well.

Summary, thank you GW. For making me looking at the hobby in a different perspective and making me realize how I was using too much money on too many models. For you guys who spent money on loads of models during the Wayland and Maelstrom era I can understand that this hurts because you can't get the same quantity as before, maybe it is easy for me to say but my suggestion is how about seeing it as a chance to improve the overrall quality instead of getting tons of models? Because basically, a price raise doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to spend more money, you also have the choice on getting less models.

[jus]

Because basically, a price raise doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to spend more money, you also have the choice on getting less models.

Amen. No more nay saying.

"What will your first citadel fine cast miniature be???"

Those resin blood knights are looking quite nice. I kind of want to get some, and I'm being serious. (imagine the potential for conversion)

[Seb]

Playing Space Wolves, I cant see that I have any more need for metal/resin figures, I need mostly plastic kits like grey hunters or something.. If I ask myself that.. "What will your first citadel fine cast miniature be???"
Maybe a Space Wolf Iron Priest, Wolf Priest or a Rune Priest someday?

[Primarch]

I for one would like to thank our GW overlords.
The price rise: GW has always been one of the most expensive sets of models on the market, especially if you want to have a "full army" (M_i_J and I both agree that this amounts to around 3000 points so that you can mix and match units as and when you get bored of them). By increasing the prices even more, they stop new players getting into the hobby as parents are more likely to say No to young Timmy asking for a starter set. For experienced gamers who are already on their 2nd or 3rd (or 19th) army, they just made it easier for us to say "No, that's enough" to ourselves.
The change in trade terms: As a way of helping out hobby stores outside Europe, its a great idea. If only the products outside Europe weren't even more over priced for exactly the same thing.
The change to resin: Changing to a cheaper material and then expecting people to pay more for it is a bit off. Imagine if McDonalds switched out all the meat in their burgers for cabbage and then jacked the price up by 25%. Would you still eat at McDonalds?
So I am saying thank you to GW. Between them doing everything in their power to push away gamers and the rapidly increasing number of awesome games available cheaply on the market I think we aren't far away from a Golden Age of gaming, much like the Non-Dungeons and Dragons RPG players are living it up since Wizards churned out the Offline 'online-RPG' that is 4th Edition.
I love 40k, I think the universe is awesome and that GW DOES make some of the best minis around, but now I figure I'll be trying out some new stuff, from Spartan Games' 'Dystopian Wars' to Warlord's 'Hail Caeser' and the best part is, for the cost of a standard GW army I can happily afford to try as much as I like.
So cheers GW. I'll play with what you've already sold me and in the meantime try out all those other cool bits and pieces I've always wanted to try. I can buy more and spend less.

[me_in_japan]

Those resin blood knights are looking quite nice. I kind of want to get some, and I'm being serious. (imagine the potential for conversion)

OK, justin. Take a deep breath, and repeat after me:

SIXTY-ONE POUNDS FIFTY FOR FIVE MODELS! SWEET MONKEY ON A BICYCLE NO!

You have to shout this loudly. Quietly will just not cut it.

And, please remember, this is for buying from the UK, which we are no longer allowed to do. It will be MORE if you buy them from here. We still dont know what the new resin will cost in Japan (The link vossy posted was for plastics only, i believe), but based off current exchange rates, and assuming at least a 60-70% price shafting (and Im being generous to GW here.) you'll be looking at cost of 13894 yen for 5 models.

I just couldnt live with myself if I paid that kind of money for so little, knowing that a week ago I could have bought it for less than half the price.

btw, its comments like this that piss me off particularly:

No matter which country you live in, when the doors of your local Hobby Centre open for business on Saturday morning, you'll find over 100 new clampacks and boxed sets of Citadel Finecast miniatures.

Which local hobby centre would that be? Oh, that's right. We dont have one. We have to order our stuff. online. Oh, but you just took that away from us. What, you want us to pay huge amounts of money to order it online from Tokyo? But why? My friends can all buy it online in the UK for less than half that. My salary isnt double theirs, is it? In fact, everybody I know in the UK earns far more money than me. So why is it me that has to pay more? Oh, I see. I'm unimportant and irrelevant to your business plan for making as much profit in the short term as possible. I see. Well, screw you too. Goodbye.