me_in_japan wrote:As I said, if a player is doing it for game-winning reasons, it's not good, but I reckon Sanguinary Guard for termies is fine. Heavy armour: check. CC weap: check. Funny looking overarm bolter: check. All it takes is to say "these are termies" and we're all good. Do you have a problem playing against miguel's eldar, for example? Or my dark eldar, for that matter - all of my haemunculi/grots are proxies and nobody ever complained about em.
*edit* re nids as eldar - no problem, as long as you were consistent. Stealers would be out - there is nothing in the eldar army that has 4 cc weapons and no guns. Termagants could probly work as guardians or avengers, altho you'd need to differentiate between the two. Avatar, wraithlord are fairly easy, other things not so much. You'd basically need to get pretty jiggy with the green stuff, but in principle, aye, it'd be ok. Some kind of extra-galactic alien. Not nids, more high-tech, alien-overlord, kinda thing, maybe. Some tripod walkers might be cool, too
And that highlights the problem with 'counts as' armies. You have already started setting limits on what you would consider acceptable. Now to you all marines are the same regardless of rules, wargear or any other factor and you have said as much numerous times. To me, they are all different. E.g. Artificer Armour gives a 2+ save not because it is heavier than regular Power Armour, but because it is better quality. It is also somewhat smaller as it incorporates the same stuff as regular armour and packs a whole load of bling into the same amount of space. So to me, it isn't suitable as a stand in for Terminator Armour. But that is all just a matter of taste. My point was that when I look at Sanguinary Guard, I see Jump Infantry. Therefore using them as a different unit type causes issues. For Miguels army, I don't remember him fielding infantry as jetbikes or Cavalry as walkers. If anything it is slightly easier to deal with as none of his models look like anything from GW so there is less chance of you mistaking things for something else.
Anyway, at the end of the day, it is the call of each player as to how much proxying they are comfortable with. For myself, I'd put myself at the lower end of the scale, especially when there are better alternatives that could be used. (FW have some very nice looking Termies for example).
Oh, and Stealers don't have 4 weapons. They have 2 attacks base and no option to increase that. Don't Striking Scorpions end up with 3 attacks once you include their wargear? Mind you, they also have a good initiative and can cut through armour well, so maybe they would make good banshees. Just saying.
@Badruck - That looks like a battlesuit alright. All your armies look like the things they are meant to be, so there is no problem. If you start trying to pass that battlesuit off as a kroot hound then you and me will be having words.
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