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Re: High Elf army list 2250pts

Post by Mike the Pike » Sat May 29, 2010 12:37 pm

Elven Archers are not to be sneezed at. specially, with the rumoured change to 2 ranks firing. Spear elves too, ca be a tricky unit to deal with. You had better be able to deal out a lot of damage, negate ranks etc before you even think of charging 'em.
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Re: High Elf army list 2250pts

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Sat May 29, 2010 12:43 pm

if you have Bow Elves with spears that... seams rather versatile ... I guess every one likes to take a lot of toys... what are the toys you will have cut out in the new edition..
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Re: High Elf army list 2250pts

Post by Primarch » Sat May 29, 2010 2:20 pm

Elven core units are good for defence.
In the special slot you have
Lion Chariots, (ie heavy chariots)
Chariots
Silver Helms (heavy cavalry)
Dragon Princes (awesome cavalry)
Reavers (light cavalry)
Sword Masters
White Lions
Phoenix Guard
Shadow Warriors
Basically all the stuff you want to head over to the opponent's side of the board and give them a right good kicking.
Its not that these cant be taken under the proposed changes, they can. Its just that they are all very expensive units. With the 25% minimum spend on core choices and probably the same again on heroes/lords you're scraping for points where ever you can. Having no upper limit on the slot makes no difference. Currently elves get an extra slot for special compared to other armies. It never gets used.
I'm not complaining. High Elf special units are all solid choices. Just saying that removing the percentage cap doesnt make much difference because you still need to spend points elsewhere and this stuff is expensive.
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Re: High Elf army list 2250pts

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Sat May 29, 2010 3:29 pm

So if I am hearing you right all the fun stuff will be cut down and the boring stuff will stay on... Daemons get PlagueB and Bletters as Core and they are both good and fun.... I guess that makes things a bit off...
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Re: High Elf army list 2250pts

Post by Primarch » Sat May 29, 2010 4:37 pm

Not quite. In 8th High Elves get less restrictions on what they can buy than other armies. I'm just saying that not having those restrictions doesn't make any difference in the same way as having their extra slots for special in 7th doesnt make any difference.
The rumoured percentages are:
25% max lords (includes mounts)
25% max heroes
25% min core
50% max special
25% max rare

From those, you may not have any more than 3 of the same type of unit. e.g. I couldnt take 4 units of silver helms. High Elves ignore this penalty and can take as many as they like. But as I said, everything is so expensive it makes no difference anyway.

End result of 8th
Lose Always Strikes First on 3 of the best units
Gain special rule which has no use.
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Re: High Elf army list 2250pts

Post by Colonel Voss » Sat May 29, 2010 10:12 pm

It depends on the army as well. Skaven, special and rare are cheap enough that you can squeeze in a good share of the good stuff, but not enough to go overboard (no more three hellpit abominations :lol: ), same goes for lizzies (three engine of the gods on ancient stegodons). For other armies like Warriors of Chaos and Wood Elves, the troop choices are very versatile and are always taken anyways with some special. For other armies such as dwarfs and Orcs and Goblins, the cap actually is a boon as you can take more of your cheap choices. And for others, the cap really hurt them such as vampire counts (lord choice limit), and I would guess dark elves.
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Re: High Elf army list 2250pts

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Sat May 29, 2010 11:53 pm

Wow you guys know this game very well I feel like a 5 year old kid saying "Daddy can I play?" So at the end of the day the game is getting an overhaul.. it seems... I wonder what armies are going to get the top tier ranking in the new rules... I sure hope they make Daemons mid tier so someone will play me... :P
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Re: High Elf army list 2250pts

Post by Colonel Voss » Sun May 30, 2010 2:13 am

My predictions:

Vampire counts: dropping, new rules really hurt them IMO
High Elves: dropping, but rumored to get a new book soon
Skaven: rising, maybe top tier
Dark Elves: dropping but still top tier
Wood Elves: at first, terrible situation, the changes completely destroy their tactical methods. later as community recovers they'll get stronger but still weaker than before, maybe lower tier
Ogres: slight boost but still bottom tier
Orcs and Goblins: slight boost lower mid tier
Tomb Kings: get even weaker than now, maybe the bottom rung?
Empire: slight boost, lower mid tier still though
Dwarfs: very decent boost, mid to upper mid tier
Beasts of Chaos: boost, mid tier
Deamons: no clue overall but unless there's some real changes in the rules that we don't know about, they will stay strong. however the slaneesh build will take a hit
Brettonians: get weaker
Warriors of Chaos: slight boost as their infantry will become more viable and taking objectives will be more important. upper mid tier maybe

So top will be all evil with Dark Elves, Skaven and Deamons
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Re: High Elf army list 2250pts

Post by Primarch » Sun May 30, 2010 9:41 am

Why do wood elves suffer? The new rules for shooting makes their longbowmen a lot better to take.
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Re: High Elf army list 2250pts

Post by Colonel Voss » Sun May 30, 2010 2:04 pm

the focus on larger units is really hurtful for the wood elves as their current small elite unit style doesn't work all too well. Also the changes in skirmishing really hurts their tactics. On the other hand, certain units that aren't given much attention now are recieving some new thoughts.
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